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A Prop 8 Supporter Live Here

Today was a momentous occasion in California history.  Prop 8 was argued in front of the California Supreme Court.

Supporters on both sides agreed that Ken Starr presented a very logical and clear explanation of the legal reasoning behind the people’s right to amend our constitution.

Across the board, the consensus was also that the No on 8 side floundered and stumbled along the way and relied more on the “It’s not fair” argument which is popular with the SNL crowd, but fails to sway justices 99.999% of the time.

Meanwhile, the law in Calfornia currently reads as follows:

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1  DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SEC. 7.5.  Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
recognized in California.

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The Ice Cream Chant

I will give you free Ice Cream if you vote for mePam posted a great parable about politics today and I wanted to pass it on.

A 3rd grade class held a mock election last year to learn about our political system.  The first candidate for class president stood up for his speech and laid out his detailed plan for improving the 3rd grade class.  The applause was strong as he sat down.

Then the second candidate stood up for her speech and simply said, “If you elect me, I wil give you all Ice Cream.”  Thunderous applause drowned out any discussion.

No matter how much the class tried to discuss the “how”, or the cost, or any logistics of where the Ice Cream would come from, it always boiled down to “She will give us free Ice Cream.”

Can anyone guess who won the Class Election?

Yep, little Miss Ice Cream.

Funny how half our country went Ga-Ga for free Ice Cream last year and now that it is time to pay up, it’s not that easy.  We really should take a closer look at what we are promised.

More to come.

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Rolling Stone has published an article placing the blame for Prop 8 passing squarely on the shoulders of the No on 8 groups. In a change from the past 30 days, Mormons, Catholics and Blacks are not blamed for upholding the definition of marriage as “one man and one woman” and instead the focus turns inward to the very people who want homosexual marriage legalized.

Instead, the point out the disorganization of the No campaign, the late start, the poor ads and most of all, the lack of a grass roots effort.

By contrast, the Yes on 8 side had 10 times as many volunteers and a wide coalition of religious faiths that united to reach voters where they are in their homes and places of worship.

What do we learn from all this? For starters, the Yes on 8 side is not going to change their views. They are rooted firmly in their religious beliefs.

48% of Californians voted against Prop 8, but with the post-election hatred that has spewed forth against churches, it would be a hard sell to not see that number shrink.

Finally, it is hard to imagine that those who voted No on Prop 8 know less now than they did on Election Day. If anything, it seems that the more people learn, the more they shy away from Gay Marriage.

Let’s see what happens next….

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We have now reached the point in the Gay Marriage debate at which the Nov 4 election is almost a month behind us and much of the fire appears to be running out of fuel, even if only temporarily. As a nation, we have just enjoyed a wonderful (almost accident free) Holiday weekend. We are sombered by the siege in India, which reminds us that terrorism is, and most likely, will continue to be at our front door, both overseas and here in the U.S.

Nonetheless, now that we are turning to holiday shopping, many of the hate crimes are (hopefully) dwindling and we can hear the calmer heads of reason as they speak out.

This post at The Volokh Conspiracy is a well written and thought out piece calling for an end to al-Gayda’s gestapo like tactics to intimidate, discrimate and terrorize the Mormon church into accepting Gay Marriage.

Here is an excerpt from Dale Carpenter’s post.

I am uncomfortable with pickets directed at specific places of worship like the Mormon church in Los Angeles. It’s too easy for such protests to degenerate into the kinds of ugly religious intolerance this country has long endured. Mormons, in particular, have historically suffered rank prejudice and even violence. Epithets and taunts directed at individuals are especially abhorrent. Individual Mormons (and blacks and others) bravely and publicly opposed Prop 8. Even those who supported Prop 8 are not all anti-gay bigots, though I saw plenty of anti-gay bigotry when I was in California last week. As I’ve repeatedly argued, there are genuine concerns about making a change like this to an important social institution.

I started to read through the several hundred comments and surprisingly, they were (at least the first few) very calm and well stated. Here are some of the top comments (in order, not as rated by me):

In the end the opponents of P8 must decide what comes after the rally. Another election would have to occur and the California public would have to be persuaded to change their minds.

Civil disobedience is a far preferable strategy than litigation. Gay rights will be secure in this country when, and only when, the majority of the people are comfortable with that outcome. Courts cannot decree a change in public attitudes. Bull Connors’ firehoses did a lot more to advance the cause of black civil rights than any court.

My only real complaint is that I don’t think the Mormon church should be singled out. I know lots of gay groups are considering protesting black churches, and I think that’s a good thing.

Now we are finally starting to have civil discourses. I hope they continue.

More to come….

and various musings from this post…

– We are a God-fearing people on this planet. Holiday stems from Holy Day. Every religion has them.

– Were the Gay Marriage Activists behind the Wal-mart trampling? Do they hate Christians that much to try and blacken the eyes of the world’s biggest holiday? I hope not, and think not, but would not put anything past them at this point.

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